I would imagine the early speakers in the SAM list were speakers people at Devialet owned or had access and could experiment with.
Voting is a bit daft but with the number of speakers out there, once they have done all the ones to which they already had access IMHO it makes as much sense as any other way of deciding which is next.
Not likely that either of my main speakers will ever be SAMed though :-(
I heard from my dealer today, just back from a trip to Devialet, that they were currently SAMing the Wilson Benesch range! I hope so!
Magico Q3 also done, they are adding models slowly but surely...
The Estelon XB has just joined the ranks of SAM-ready speakers.
That's a total of 16 SAM-ready speakers now.
Guillaume
Penaudio Cenya and KEF R300 too, but seriously whoooo owns the Penaudio's?
The Estelon had 2 votes btw...
I'm amused to see the Martin Logan Montis have crept back up above 100 votes. It'll be interesting to see what Devialet do about this. Now that they've sanitized the "vote for SAM" list, so that the most voted for speakers are more or less all SAM-ready or SAM-soon, things look very tidy: it gives the no doubt desired impression that Devialet are responding to the SAM voting.
The Martin Logans are an awkward case. SAM is designed for multi-driver dynamic speakers (i.e. not hybrid panels with active subs and no crossover, like MLs), and Devialet have publicly said as much. I suspect they'll either SAM the MLs (pointlessly) or more likely make them disappear quietly from the list.
The Wilson Audio Sasha 2 is now SAM-ready!
Guillaume
(22-Jun-2014, 15:23)Jwg1749 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm amused to see the Martin Logan Montis have crept back up above 100 votes. It'll be interesting to see what Devialet do about this. Now that they've sanitized the "vote for SAM" list, so that the most voted for speakers are more or less all SAM-ready or SAM-soon, things look very tidy: it gives the no doubt desired impression that Devialet are responding to the SAM voting.
The Martin Logans are an awkward case. SAM is designed for multi-driver dynamic speakers (i.e. not hybrid panels with active subs and no crossover, like MLs), and Devialet have publicly said as much. I suspect they'll either SAM the MLs (pointlessly) or more likely make them disappear quietly from the list.
I am intrigued why you think it would be pointless. There is a crossover in the MLs between panel and bass unit
The fact that the bass is active is irrelevant. SAM can not be done when an owner is using his speakers with a separate subwoofer driven by the Devialet crossover and sub out, obviously, but since the ML bass section takes its input from the speaker leads there is no reason why SAM can't be done, even anti-damage mapping, as long as the integrated sub/amp characteristics are known.
(01-Jul-2014, 15:52)f1eng Wrote: [ -> ]I am intrigued why you think it would be pointless. There is a crossover in the MLs between panel and bass unit
The fact that the bass is active is irrelevant. SAM can not be done when an owner is using his speakers with a separate subwoofer driven by the Devialet crossover and sub out, obviously, but since the ML bass section takes its input from the speaker leads there is no reason why SAM can't be done, even anti-damage mapping, as long as the integrated sub/amp characteristics are known.
Yes, perhaps I was being too categorical. But my reasoning is this. The DSP in the speakers already does (much of) what SAM does. For instance it corrects phase anomalies between the sub and the panel. And it has built-in damage protection.
For this reason my assumption had been that the DSP in the speaker would override the effects of SAM. I may be quite wrong about this.
I suspect the reason why the Montis haven't been put on the SAM-soon list yet, despite having crossed the voting threshold a couple of weeks ago -- and they're the only speaker so far to spend that long over the threshold without being SAM-ed -- is that Devialet believe it's not worth SAM-ing them. Again, I may be quite wrong about this.
Anyway, from a purely academic perspective it'd be interested to know the inside track on this. I may ping off an e-mail to Paris ...
Matt
Hi !
As I said in the ML section :
"So, I have the answer directly from the SAM specialist from Devialet.
To be efficient, the signal amplified should come from the ADH circuit.
So, for passive Martin Logan, there is no problem for SAM. And they are looking for a pair to test SAM on ML.
But for Martin Logan with active bass unit, as Montis for example (sorry Matt !), SAM could not be applied…"
(21-Jun-2014, 13:32)Ekmanc Wrote: [ -> ]Penaudio Cenya and KEF R300 too, but seriously whoooo owns the Penaudio's?
The Estelon had 2 votes btw...
I have the answer for the Estelon !
In fact, the designers of this speaker met the Devialet Team at Munich and ask them to SAMready the Estelons… And "hop" !