(06-Aug-2015, 06:27)wikeeboy Wrote: [ -> ] (06-Aug-2015, 06:19)miro Wrote: [ -> ] (05-Aug-2015, 20:10)Eddye Wrote: [ -> ] (05-Aug-2015, 19:57)samurai7595 Wrote: [ -> ]How do I go about adjusting the SAM level for my speakers?
I programmed the Tone button of the Devialet remote for SAM ON/OFF and when I press it, it either turns SAM on or SAM off. But how do I adjust the percentage of SAM?
Press the middle button for a few seconds an cycle through the options (Bass, Treble etc) until you get to SAM %
Devialet: when will you implement the SAM % to be adjustable from the control app, as well as all other parameters that can be adjusted?
One should not have to leave their listening position to do so.
The short answer is they won't be updating the app. I'm pretty sure they are putting all of their efforts into having one solution that suits Phantom & Expert... that being Spark. Will probably have to wait until Dialogue is compatible with Expert.
Hopefully in 2016 !!
Back on 7.1.1 with current naim speaker cables.
I instantly prefer this in terms of relaxation and bass 'punch', but I'm really missing that extra bass extension. That said, it came at a price where for me I couldn't get the punchy bass back with 8.1.3, just more deep, low, bass. Of course I'd like both! The treble just seems a bit less punishing somehow but that ones hard to explain.
I've got a bit of tinnitus which is really upsetting. I think it might have been all the listening sessions where I cranked it up a bit at certain points. I really do think the silver speaker cable just wasn't a good match for the Facts, and that I've not only been making my life difficult (for the past 6 months) by not being able to get them to sound 'right', the extra treble has probably caused my heAring to suffer slightly. I just never even thought about the cable - I switched it over with my new amp a while back as it was from the same manufacturer so I figured a perfect match. I now hear PMCs are voiced with copper cables ('van damme' specifically which I've now ordered and thankfully they are studio heritage rather than hifi so sensibly priced) and so if that is true perhaps my problem all along has not been the speakers but the extra bit of treble emphasis from the silver cables - an emphasis that PMC didn't envision I imagine. I mean, I don't think the facts will ever be bass monsters of have that thicker sound perhaps I was used to, but at least they don't just sound wrong.
Anyway, none of that has anything to do with Devialet firmware, but all part of the journey. What's more interesting to me is despite the slight reduction in clarity and resolution of sound, I have a far better '3d' type soundstage than I had previously, and things just seem more naturally voiced and better balanced than before - on both firmwares. If that's the cables (and that's all I've changed) then I've no idea how these things work but I'd rather lose a little detail and have what I've got now.
I haven't listened to many of my well known tracks, so next report after a bit of time back with 7.1.1, and hopefully new speaker cables imminently.
(20-Aug-2015, 16:45)Hifi_swlon Wrote: [ -> ]Back on 7.1.1 with current naim speaker cables.
I instantly prefer this in terms of relaxation and bass 'punch', but I'm really missing that extra bass extension. That said, it came at a price where for me I couldn't get the punchy bass back with 8.1.3, just more deep, low, bass. Of course I'd like both! The treble just seems a bit less punishing somehow but that ones hard to explain.
These are interesting observations, I have noticed very similar with the KEF Blade. However, I think these might be differences between the "original" SAM and SAM V2, rather than related specifically to firmware differences. Although the two are obviously related, as "old" SAM can only be used with 7.x.x firmware. I can't help thinking that there is something not quite right with SAM 1 profile conversion to SAM V2.
Maybe all legacy SAM profiles need a SAM Lab update to get full benefit of SAM 2?
Sitting here with 8.1.3 and it sounds ok. Reading about cables , Reading about sam1 vs sam2 looking This. Forum. People's frustrations about different. Sw Update , sometime i miss my old. AMP mcintosh 6900. Just play, Noo updates Noo thinking. Was 7.1.1 better than 8.1.1 . Are we Lising too teknik or Music , Can we ever just be glad and play Music or? That was just my Words. And Hello from Denmark
(20-Aug-2015, 17:32)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]These are interesting observations, I have noticed very similar with the KEF Blade. However, I think these might be differences between the "original" SAM and SAM V2, rather than related specifically to firmware differences. Although the two are obviously related, as "old" SAM can only be used with 7.x.x firmware. I can't help thinking that there is something not quite right with SAM 1 profile conversion to SAM V2.
Maybe all legacy SAM profiles need a SAM Lab update to get full benefit of SAM 2?
I'm sure you're right - it makes the most sense, although I didn't do much SAM on/off testing in either.
It would be be a shame (and a bit of a blunder in my opinion) if all speakers now had to be re-done rather than being able to use the original data. I suppose it just depends on how much data they took first time round - maybe there a things they just couldn't have envisaged being needed? It's taken a long time to build that portfolio of speakers, I guess that's what the SAMlab's all about as it wouldn't be conceivable to have to drag all those speakers back to the lab in Paris.
(20-Aug-2015, 17:32)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]These are interesting observations, I have noticed very similar with the KEF Blade. However, I think these might be differences between the "original" SAM and SAM V2, rather than related specifically to firmware differences. Although the two are obviously related, as "old" SAM can only be used with 7.x.x firmware. I can't help thinking that there is something not quite right with SAM 1 profile conversion to SAM V2.
Maybe all legacy SAM profiles need a SAM Lab update to get full benefit of SAM 2?
Yes - I wouldn't mind being there (Oxford) when they measure these speakers could be quite an interesting afternoon. I wonder how much variability there is between different speakers of the same model, for e.g my Sashas really opened up after a few months of 24/7 playback. Presumably there is some variability between the drivers themselves, I know Linn Exakt models this kind of thing by measuring each individual driver as opposed to just having an off the shelf profile for a specific speaker model. Perhaps it's best if SAM Lab comes here?!
Guillaume
(20-Aug-2015, 17:55)Finn Wrote: [ -> ]Sitting here with 8.1.3 and it sounds ok. Reading about cables , Reading about sam1 vs sam2 looking This. Forum. People's frustrations about different. Sw Update , sometime i miss my old. AMP mcintosh 6900. Just play, Noo updates Noo thinking. Was 7.1.1 better than 8.1.1 . Are we Lising too teknik or Music , Can we ever just be glad and play Music or? That was just my Words. And Hello from Denmark
Hi in Denmark Finn.
I suppose some of us are searching (and never finding) the system that suits us perfectly. I'm envious of those that say they love their system and wouldn't change anything, I'm yet to find something that satisfying in proper hifi. I've probably just never found the right kit combo for my preference/hearing/environment. Apart from general interest, the hope is one day one of these tweaks (or a few combined) will end up putting the system right where it should be to give a big smile, and firmware etc is one of those hopes.
Plus, its just a temptation since the option's there!
I'm really pleased for you if your system's there- enjoy it - thats what its all about!
We are slaves under Devialet upgrades and what they think is a good sound, can probably don't do anything about it if u want to follow and use new features.
Scary is that a technician from Devialet that is responsible for some part of the SAM process did think cables don't do any difference in a system, its just "placebo".
With that kind of statement they are not for hifi, more for the masses.
Little grumpy today, and just want to sell my 800 system to change to a manufacture that believe in hifi.
Downgraded today to 7.1.3, everything feels better right now, but do not feel it will last
I hope that devialet , take hifi/Music seriøs and Don,t. Are Like stefanfreij. Say. Here in Denmark we have B/O. Nice systems. But seriøs hifi. Noooo. Expensiv yes. I hope that devialet Don,t have that kind of plan .they sent upgrade and upgrade ,and Reading This forum , more and more People complain , what is wrong? Update Should be better Music , more things too do , better Riaa , and so On and so On . I Can be worry for the future more upgrades and more and more trouble . Just my Words and say Hello
Hi guys, I just made a quick test with 8.1.3 (I was with 8.1.3 beta) on my D200.
I immediately noticed harshness compared to what I was used with the beta.... I felt the result was more aggressive, and I didn't spent more time. I reverted to the beta.
I'm really pleased with the 8.1.3 beta