(23-Apr-2015, 23:53)Rufus McDufus Wrote: [ -> ]I've got 2.1.4 beta4 but I started off trying to reproduce the issue with 2.1.3 and the darn thing is working perfectly, even setting the display power off to 1 minute. Previously it always gave white noise (non bitperfect) or dropouts (bitperfect) exactly when the display power off occurred or shortly after. I've been trying to reproduce it for a week now! I might just try the beta and see if it's any worse or better.
THis sounds very similar to my recent experiences. Although, I only got the screensaver induced white noise from 2.1.4beta1, with previous versions the white noise appeared to be time dependant, that is, it would kick in after a period of time, with the time period influenced by soundcard GUI settings and song bit rate. I will give beta4 a try over the weekend, I think it's worth it just to be able to give as much feedback as possible to Devialet.
Sorry, but I can't resist commenting on a series of threads in this site. I notice that so many D-users are proud in integrating the most expensive cables for digital interconnects, even employing hilariously expensive network patch cables. At the same time there is a decent number of D-users who feed their Ds from "cheapo" Win-PCs, which for a few produce white, yellow, rosé, brown or other coloured noise due to a potential flaw in AIR. As a simple solution to this problem, I am wondering why these victims of AIR don't simply change their Win-PCs to a decent Mac, given that this change comes considerably cheaper than many of the cables... OOPS, of course I don't mean anybody personally, just a point to consider ;-))
But of course, the sets of the expensive cable users and the 'cheapo' PC users may not overlap.
(24-Apr-2015, 17:20)Mohmm Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, but I can't resist commenting on a series of threads in this site. I notice that so many D-users are proud in integrating the most expensive cables for digital interconnects, even employing hilariously expensive network patch cables. At the same time there is a decent number of D-users who feed their Ds from "cheapo" Win-PCs, which for a few produce white, yellow, rosé, brown or other coloured noise due to a potential flaw in AIR. As a simple solution to this problem, I am wondering why these victims of AIR don't simply change their Win-PCs to a decent Mac, given that this change comes considerably cheaper than many of the cables... OOPS, of course I don't mean anybody personally, just a point to consider ;-))
But of course, the sets of the expensive cable users and the 'cheapo' PC users may not overlap.
There have been quite a few grumpy Mac users on here recently with various noise and software update issues .........
The problem is just as common with Mac.
(24-Apr-2015, 17:20)Mohmm Wrote: [ -> ]I am wondering why these victims of AIR don't simply change their Win-PCs to a decent Mac
Although, as was already pointed out, the Macs are not immune to this problem, nor is there any proven correlation between the PC's price and its AIR-friendliness (as I recall, the not inexpensive NUCs suffer from this problem as frequently), I do agree with your general philosophy: sometimes, it's more productive to stop banging your head against the wall, and just walk around it.
If I were getting the noise more frequently than once every 2-3 months (or if I got tired of even that frequency), I would buy a MAC-mini, installed JRiver on it, and would use my current JRiver instance on PC as a music server streaming to the MAC. And if I got white noise on the MAC, I'd switch to the USB input. That solution is still in back of my mind, but increasing the number of components and, therefore, failure points, (together with the hope that Devialet will fix this problem one day) prevents me from implementing it.
Also, I like simplicity and what can be simpler than getting white nosie and becoming upset about it?
(24-Apr-2015, 17:20)Mohmm Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, but I can't resist commenting on a series of threads in this site. I notice that so many D-users are proud in integrating the most expensive cables for digital interconnects, even employing hilariously expensive network patch cables. At the same time there is a decent number of D-users who feed their Ds from "cheapo" Win-PCs, which for a few produce white, yellow, rosé, brown or other coloured noise due to a potential flaw in AIR. As a simple solution to this problem, I am wondering why these victims of AIR don't simply change their Win-PCs to a decent Mac, given that this change comes considerably cheaper than many of the cables... OOPS, of course I don't mean anybody personally, just a point to consider ;-))
But of course, the sets of the expensive cable users and the 'cheapo' PC users may not overlap.
I really like the way AIR sounds, haven't heard a streamer that sounds better yet. Would a mac solve the problem that would be the easy fix...
I only have problems when playing 192khz, 96khz and below; no problems. Beta4 gave me more problems then the original release.
(24-Apr-2015, 17:41)Rufus McDufus Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is just as common with Mac.
Well, this impression is not more substantiated than my impression when reading these pages: In most cases with the Mac it is a bandwidth problem that has to do with your streaming infrastructure and neighbourhood (competing neighbouring WiFi, CPU activity, quality of switches etc, etc) that is not related to AIR and easily solved.
Who ever expected being able to stream 196kHz music files in a noisy WiFi environment has no idea of what the term "S/N ratio" means. True, not everybody needs to know these things and it is Devialet's fault of not having communicated this clearly enough. They do, however point out that WiFi streaming makes sense only with an S/N difference of at least 50 to 60 dB at the RECEIVING point of the chain.
This thread appears to be drifting a little off topic with the old Mac vs PC debate. Having said that, from an audio perspective the Mac vs PC debate is actually quite an interesting one, something for a new thread perhaps. We all have our own preferences and quirks with how we set up our systems. My case is quite simple I think, there are a number of very good reasons, both work & leisure related why a PC is a much better choice than a Mac, more or less essential in fact. So I have a PC. Also, with the best set up of hi fi and PC in my home, I would need about a 10m USB cable to connect PC to Devialet, this is too long for decent sound quality via USB. So for better or worse, a PC with hard wired AIR Ethernet is the optimum solution for me. Yes I could use a laptop or Mac Mini with the Dev, but I'd rather have less IT related kit in my house not more.
So back on topic. I have loaded AIR 2.1.4beta4 onto my (not that) cheapo PC. It's been running for half an hour so far on JRiver WASAPI 24bit, no issues at all so far so good..... I'll report more later.
(24-Apr-2015, 17:41)Rufus McDufus Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is just as common with Mac.
Just to clarify and emphasise this point please note the results of our recent survey: "A lot of Hot Air From Devialet - Survey 1"
http://devialetchat.com/showthread.php?tid=939
24 Mac users get white noise.
17 Mac users don't get white noise.
20 PC users get white noise.
6 PC users do not get white noise.
I know the numbers aren't massive but they do nonetheless show that BOTH Mac and PC users are affected by this problem.
I myself got crackling sounds and dropouts using a Macbook Air in a highly optimised Cat 7 network.
Guillaume