It's hard to say what features are most desired. If you spend some time on this forum, it would appear that Roon RAAT is a clear number 1, but of course that says nothing for the very many Devialet users that are perhaps spending their time listening to the things rather than posting about it on the 'net (I do both
), they might desire all manner of things. Clearly the most desirable outcome is that the new board offers a decent choice of uses, you want Qobuz, it has it. RAAT? Yes, it's got that too. AirPlay? Yes, that as well. Everybody happy. Whatever you look at it, there is not much point fighting over it here. Me? I would actually like HQPlayer support. Not much chance of that, and I am not aware of anyone else who is interested in this. I might lobby for it one day, but not until the more popular stuff is up and running a bug free. (it might be a long wait......)
In fact, even support of HQPlayer is a long way from my main interest in the new board. In some audiophile circles the concept of Ethernet direct to DAC is some kind of modern day digital audio holy grail, and this is what the new board offers. OK, in theory AIR offered that too. AIR does sound good, but it can be bettered. So my interest is in how the sound quality aspects have been optimised. Just how good (or bad) will it prove to be with respect to sound quality performance. In terms of the communications from Devialet I have seen nothing that gives me any insight into this aspect, sound quality does not get a mention, neither is anything from a technical perspective that might influence sound quality mentioned, nothing. I am genuinely looking forward to hearing what it can do. If it ever works bug free with anything, of course.
I shall sign off with a question that was niggling me, I know DLNA as used by JRiver and others is a kind of sub-set of UPnP. Assuming the advertised UPnP side of things works, does this mean that JRIver / DLNA streaming should work OK? There might be some subtleties that I am missing re DLNA compatibility.
(08-Nov-2017, 22:31)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to say what features are most desired. If you spend some time on this forum, it would appear that Roon RAAT is a clear number 1, but of course that says nothing for the very many Devialet users that are perhaps spending their time listening to the things rather than posting about it on the 'net (I do both ), they might desire all manner of things. Clearly the most desirable outcome is that the new board offers a decent choice of uses, you want Qobuz, it has it. RAAT? Yes, it's got that too. AirPlay? Yes, that as well. Everybody happy. Whatever you look at it, there is not much point fighting over it here. Me? I would actually like HQPlayer support. Not much chance of that, and I am not aware of anyone else who is interested in this. I might lobby for it one day, but not until the more popular stuff is up and running a bug free. (it might be a long wait......)
In fact, even support of HQPlayer is a long way from my main interest in the new board. In some audiophile circles the concept of Ethernet direct to DAC is some kind of modern day digital audio holy grail, and this is what the new board offers. OK, in theory AIR offered that too. AIR does sound good, but it can be bettered. So my interest is in how the sound quality aspects have been optimised. Just how good (or bad) will it prove to be with respect to sound quality performance. In terms of the communications from Devialet I have seen nothing that gives me any insight into this aspect, sound quality does not get a mention, neither is anything from a technical perspective that might influence sound quality mentioned, nothing. I am genuinely looking forward to hearing what it can do. If it ever works bug free with anything, of course.
I shall sign off with a question that was niggling me, I know DLNA as used by JRiver and others is a kind of sub-set of UPnP. Assuming the advertised UPnP side of things works, does this mean that JRIver / DLNA streaming should work OK? There might be some subtleties that I am missing re DLNA compatibility.
to follow along with the recent posts...I must admit my confusion as to what, exactly, this Core Board offers that betters a good locally attached streamer (in my case the dCS Bridge at the ethernet end of a ROON ROCK) or simply a dedicated computer such as a ROON ROCK. These devices fulfill the software requirements for ROON, Qobuz or any other streaming services. I doubt the Core Insanity Board will have a full-blooded streaming OS working with a a locally attached USB music library drive.
What does it offer that requires such a fuss?
(08-Nov-2017, 20:48)ssfas Wrote: [ -> ]I don't use Roon and amongst all Devialet owners I reckon I'm in the majority.
I'd not heard of Roon RAAT, so have just looked it up and it appears to be something similar to Airplay and Devialet Air.
So why should Devialet start accommodating AS A PRIORITY a service for a third party system when they already provide their own, and I understand Roon and Devialet Air works very well.
Perhaps someone can explain why Roon RAAT is so important and should take preference over implementing, for example, Qobuz, which for many users is their main source of music.
Last I heard Devialet Expert is not a platform for Roon users, it is a platform for music listeners some of whom use Roon.There is another reason. Devialet has already entered into a collaboration with Roon and Devialet owners who use Roon have benefited because of Roon's incorporation of Devialet AIR in its software. Collaboration is a 2 way street and it would be nice to see that collaboration continued with Devialet implementing Roon Ready capability into it's software.
You're right that Devialet Expert isn't a platform for Roon users but for music listeners, some of whom use Roon. That means it's also not a platform for Qobuz users, some of whom use Roon. On the other hand Roon is an option for more Devialet owners than Qobuz because Qobuz service is available in fewer countries where Devialet is sold than Roon is.
There's no way of knowing how many Devialet owners use a particular 3rd party product but it's very easy to tell which 3rd party products are available where Devialet is sold.
I'd put Qobuz support on the same priority level as Roon support if Qobuz decided to make its service as widely available as Roon is. I tried to subscribe to Qobuz but they won't accept customers from Australia. Roon does. I'm a Devialet owner and I use Roon because it benefits me and offers advantages when used with my Devialet. I don't use Qobuz because they won't provide service to Australia and that means that they offer nothing to Devialet users here.
I'd rather see Devialet supporting 3rd party options which are available wherever Devialet is sold than supporting options which aren't available everywhere Devialet is sold. I don't know if a Roon licence is available everywhere you can buy a Devialet but I do know that a Roon licence is available in a lot more places where Devialet is sold than Qobuz is, and that's a compelling argument for Roon getting a higher priority from Devialet than Qobuz in my view.
Qobuz can change that situation whenever they like by offering service in more countries, and I'm happy to change my assessment of the priority I think Devialet should give them if they do so. At present I think they should have a low priority because they choose not to make their service available to more Devialet owners.
(09-Nov-2017, 00:14)David A Wrote: [ -> ] (08-Nov-2017, 20:48)ssfas Wrote: [ -> ]I don't use Roon and amongst all Devialet owners I reckon I'm in the majority.
I'd not heard of Roon RAAT, so have just looked it up and it appears to be something similar to Airplay and Devialet Air.
So why should Devialet start accommodating AS A PRIORITY a service for a third party system when they already provide their own, and I understand Roon and Devialet Air works very well.
Perhaps someone can explain why Roon RAAT is so important and should take preference over implementing, for example, Qobuz, which for many users is their main source of music.
Last I heard Devialet Expert is not a platform for Roon users, it is a platform for music listeners some of whom use Roon.There is another reason. Devialet has already entered into a collaboration with Roon and Devialet owners who use Roon have benefited because of Roon's incorporation of Devialet AIR in its software. Collaboration is a 2 way street and it would be nice to see that collaboration continued with Devialet implementing Roon Ready capability into it's software.
You're right that Devialet Expert isn't a platform for Roon users but for music listeners, some of whom use Roon. That means it's also not a platform for Qobuz users, some of whom use Roon. On the other hand Roon is an option for more Devialet owners than Qobuz because Qobuz service is available in fewer countries where Devialet is sold than Roon is.
There's no way of knowing how many Devialet owners use a particular 3rd party product but it's very easy to tell which 3rd party products are available where Devialet is sold.
I'd put Qobuz support on the same priority level as Roon support if Qobuz decided to make its service as widely available as Roon is. I tried to subscribe to Qobuz but they won't accept customers from Australia. Roon does. I'm a Devialet owner and I use Roon because it benefits me and offers advantages when used with my Devialet. I don't use Qobuz because they won't provide service to Australia and that means that they offer nothing to Devialet users here.
I'd rather see Devialet supporting 3rd party options which are available wherever Devialet is sold than supporting options which aren't available everywhere Devialet is sold. I don't know if a Roon licence is available everywhere you can buy a Devialet but I do know that a Roon licence is available in a lot more places where Devialet is sold than Qobuz is, and that's a compelling argument for Roon getting a higher priority from Devialet than Qobuz in my view.
Qobuz can change that situation whenever they like by offering service in more countries, and I'm happy to change my assessment of the priority I think Devialet should give them if they do so. At present I think they should have a low priority because they choose not to make their service available to more Devialet owners.
First and foremost, Devialet is for playing music. So the first thing to get right is music services, from servers and online. For that you need Unpnp/Dnla, which is what most people use. You them need Tidal, Spotify, Qobuz, Deezer, etc. I think HDtracks are about to launch streaming, which is USA/UK/Germany only.
You also need a wireless protocol that is seriously good. That should Devialet Air. There should never be dependence on a third party. For example, what if Onkyo or anyone else bought Roon? Airplay is a no brainer and it would be stupid for any streaming device not to have airplay.
The reason why Qobuz is currently only in Europe is because it went bust several years ago and then decided to build a proper business slowly and profitably with a great product. How profitable is Tidal? What if MQA does not generate revenues to merit the record companies’ continued support? If for those reasons Tidal failed, where would Roon be?
Bear in mind that Tidal is almost certainly losing money and Sprint bought a third, presumably to use exclusive content to sell mobile contacts. They will no doubt buy the whole thing fairly soon and if it doesn’t work they could well ditch it.
(08-Nov-2017, 22:31)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to say what features are most desired. If you spend some time on this forum, it would appear that Roon RAAT is a clear number 1, but of course that says nothing for the very many Devialet users that are perhaps spending their time listening to the things rather than posting about it on the 'net (I do both ), they might desire all manner of things. Clearly the most desirable outcome is that the new board offers a decent choice of uses, you want Qobuz, it has it. RAAT? Yes, it's got that too. AirPlay? Yes, that as well. Everybody happy. Whatever you look at it, there is not much point fighting over it here. Me? I would actually like HQPlayer support. Not much chance of that, and I am not aware of anyone else who is interested in this. I might lobby for it one day, but not until the more popular stuff is up and running a bug free. (it might be a long wait......)
In fact, even support of HQPlayer is a long way from my main interest in the new board. In some audiophile circles the concept of Ethernet direct to DAC is some kind of modern day digital audio holy grail, and this is what the new board offers. OK, in theory AIR offered that too. AIR does sound good, but it can be bettered. So my interest is in how the sound quality aspects have been optimised. Just how good (or bad) will it prove to be with respect to sound quality performance. In terms of the communications from Devialet I have seen nothing that gives me any insight into this aspect, sound quality does not get a mention, neither is anything from a technical perspective that might influence sound quality mentioned, nothing. I am genuinely looking forward to hearing what it can do. If it ever works bug free with anything, of course.
I shall sign off with a question that was niggling me, I know DLNA as used by JRiver and others is a kind of sub-set of UPnP. Assuming the advertised UPnP side of things works, does this mean that JRIver / DLNA streaming should work OK? There might be some subtleties that I am missing re DLNA compatibility.
I totally agreed with Confused. It is always sound quality to come first. Besides, Devialet has never disclosed the (mid-term say year 2018) goal the Core Infinity for apart from providing those basic functions. It is worth Euro 1,700, isn't it?
Devialet could have opted for an external server (a better version of a Dialog) but the trend in general is more integrated devices. So Phantom fits that idea and I guess Devialet's goal is to add renderer/server function which could be better than an external server but could also lead to more problems(thermal, noise). At least it was clearly stated that there will be no onboard file storage (except for OS etc.).
Is the new second USB port A type which would potentially allow to use an external USB drive or only a type B like the existing one?
First - I like my 1000. Second - I like what ROON brings to my 1000. Somehow the forum is devolving into ROON versus the non-ROONERs.
I am still asking the question - what forward looking features is this board bringing to the table - and, realistically, when will it be actually working.
Since I’m from the US - it seems like Devialet played a Trump card saying they haven’t heard that ROON was important - so the ROON folks come out... then the non-ROON folks come out - then we argue about ROON.
Isn’t the question, what does this new board actually do and when will it really be able to be used?
(08-Nov-2017, 20:48)ssfas Wrote: [ -> ]I don't use Roon and amongst all Devialet owners I reckon I'm in the majority.
I'd not heard of Roon RAAT, so have just looked it up and it appears to be something similar to Airplay and Devialet Air.
So why should Devialet start accommodating AS A PRIORITY a service for a third party system when they already provide their own, and I understand Roon and Devialet Air works very well.
Perhaps someone can explain why Roon RAAT is so important and should take preference over implementing, for example, Qobuz, which for many users is their main source of music.
Last I heard Devialet Expert is not a platform for Roon users, it is a platform for music listeners some of whom use Roon.
We all have different priorities and I understand your point of view too.
If you use Roon, then Roon RAAT is the best thing you could ever wish for. Roon RAAT is
much better than Airplay, Devialet AIR, or Roon with AIR integration.
To begin with, Devialet AIR has been almost a total catastrophe. There has been so many issues with it, like for example white noise, crackles, stuttering, and most recently it started crashing Windows to bluescreen many times a day in addition to previous problems. Devialet has been trying to fix these issues
for years but they haven't been able to get it work perfectly. Even the latest version of Devialet AIR still has these problems although these problems are not happening so often anymore. Devialet AIR is
NOT a reliable solution for streaming.
Roon with AIR integration has been working better also on my environment. There has been still some issues with it like crackles, dropouts, and sudden stops in streaming. There has been no solution to these problems so far, so I'm not happy with it.
Airplay has a number of limitations and problems related to streaming. Airplay has for example worse SQ, worse UX, worse stability, and worse format support when compared to Roon RAAT. You can read more below about why Roon RAAT is clearly better:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/whats-t...lay/6891/5
I have one Roon Ready (=Roon RAAT) device on my network and streaming to it has always worked flawlessly.
Qobuz is not available in many countries - for example it's not available here in Finland and that's why it is very low on my priority list.
