(12-Jun-2016, 13:43)Dr Tone Wrote: [ -> ]If it's north of £3000 and UPNP is the new "Stable" streaming solution I'll be moving back to a 2 box solution. Ayre AX-5 Twenty and on of the plethora of DACs actually capable of doing native DSD.
Whatever they do DSD HAS to be converted to pcm before any calculation can be done on the stream, ie for ADH, which means if you are convinced DSD is vital, then you will need to change to a DSD DAC and conventional preamp.
A Devialet with inbuilt DSD dac would have to digitise the resulting analogue output to pcm before anything would work, so would be pointless.
Personally I believe ADH is a sufficiently big advantage over other amplifier technology and have heard a demo of how it sounds fed with DSD which IMO is excellent. If I want to play one of my few SACDs I take the players analogue output into an analogue input on the Devialet.
My experience making sound recordings shows this is transparent so fine IMO if one's SACD player is good.
All streaming solutions are poor for classical music, including roon, so actually I would be surprised if there is anything Devialet can change which will improve it for my use.
I am perhaps the only member of this forum who is unlikely to be interested by the updates
(12-Jun-2016, 18:11)Chris Marshall Wrote: [ -> ]2 years ago, UPNP would have made sense. Now there is ROON, it really does feel like the Stone Age.
It's not even like UPNP is 100% reliable or straightforward, they would definitely be better to just fix AIR in my opinion. I assume there must be some other upgrade, I can't see anyone paying £1000 to get UPNP, never mind £3000!
I'll pay exactly ZERO for UPnP, but I might use it. I'd pay a little for a new streamer board if it supports RAAT. I upgraded my D-Premier to a 250 (240) for the standard upgrade price. I am not prepared to pay much for a new upgrade... The XMOS USB interface is not even properly implemented! (referring to the issue with microRendu) I never play from a desktop computer so AIR is not for me. If Devialet open sourced the AIR protocol Roon might support that and I'd be in immediately
(12-Jun-2016, 17:23)Nightmare Wrote: [ -> ]For me an internal streaming board seems to be the best, they can do. No more PC or Mac. No questions concerning AIR or other connections any more ;-) Of course they should implement roon to make it perfect. No more need for Aurender & Co.! Just one thing. Devialet should know how to feed his amp best with music. And as they always said: no cable is the best cable.
Hopefully they don´t stop with the development to soon and forget something. Would be disappointing to miss roon at the end.
Hmmm... that means they have to write software for it right? Bugfix anyone? In 3 years? I'll pass...
(12-Jun-2016, 19:57)f1eng Wrote: [ -> ] (12-Jun-2016, 13:43)Dr Tone Wrote: [ -> ]If it's north of £3000 and UPNP is the new "Stable" streaming solution I'll be moving back to a 2 box solution. Ayre AX-5 Twenty and on of the plethora of DACs actually capable of doing native DSD.
Whatever they do DSD HAS to be converted to pcm before any calculation can be done on the stream, ie for ADH, which means if you are convinced DSD is vital, then you will need to change to a DSD DAC and conventional preamp.
A Devialet with inbuilt DSD dac would have to digitise the resulting analogue output to pcm before anything would work, so would be pointless.
Personally I believe ADH is a sufficiently big advantage over other amplifier technology and have heard a demo of how it sounds fed with DSD which IMO is excellent. If I want to play one of my few SACDs I take the players analogue output into an analogue input on the Devialet.
My experience making sound recordings shows this is transparent so fine IMO if one's SACD player is good.
All streaming solutions are poor for classical music, including roon, so actually I would be surprised if there is anything Devialet can change which will improve it for my use.
I am perhaps the only member of this forum who is unlikely to be interested by the updates
I never said I wanted native DSD as I know it's impossible with the devialet. Moving away would give me endless options in that realm as I indicated.
What I do expect:
384kHz capabilities/internal processing would allow for higher rate DSD to be converted prior or internally. I think there is room for improvement with the digital volume. Presets for the tone controls or more advanced eq would be nice.
How much was the upgrade for the D-premier? And what was the retail price at that moment?
(12-Jun-2016, 19:57)f1eng Wrote: [ -> ]I am perhaps the only member of this forum who is unlikely to be interested by the updates
Well, respectfully, you already have made quite the update in regards to your Devialet model...
At least now I know it was a good decision not to move into Le400 from Le200. I hope I do not need to invest eur 10k to upgrade to new line and to a mono setup.
(12-Jun-2016, 21:15)Xander Wrote: [ -> ]How much was the upgrade for the D-premier? And what was the retail price at that moment?
€3490 / €12500 (although in NL I believe it always stayed at the €11900 level).
(12-Jun-2016, 22:11)Antoine Wrote: [ -> ] (12-Jun-2016, 21:15)Xander Wrote: [ -> ]How much was the upgrade for the D-premier? And what was the retail price at that moment?
€3490 / €12500 (although in NL I believe it always stayed at the €11900 level).
This suggests about 30% of the retail for an upgrade. Le200 retails about eur 7000 so we may expect about eur 2000 for an upgrade. Shall i pay this amount will be upto what i will get for it.
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IMO it should be one fixed price for all current models. Buyers of more expensive models already paid for the premium at initial purchase. The D-Premier should not be eligible for an upgrade since that was officially upgradable for a limited time only. For the OdA the upgrade should be 'free'.
Of course Devialet being Devialet will probably think of something else to generate more revenue.