(15-Jun-2016, 17:58)arcam Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 09:04)alphafox Wrote: [ -> ]Do you know if this would be possible?
You bet !
So what about D-Premier to D1000 Plus?? Another interesting one!
(15-Jun-2016, 18:07)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 17:58)arcam Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 09:04)alphafox Wrote: [ -> ]Do you know if this would be possible?
You bet !
So what about D-Premier to D1000 Plus?? Another interesting one!
It probably doesn't mean much, but when i registered for the 'first 200' to upgrade, in the drop down menu where you select your current Devialet it didn't list the D-Premier. Maybe this means it is not eligible for the upgrade.
As previously mentioned, i cannot see how the D-Prem will be eligible to go straight to an Expert Pro as that would surely harm/kill the 250/800 values and not be fair on those who paid for the upgrade from D-Prem to 250/800.
(16-Jun-2016, 01:19)wikeeboy Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 18:07)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 17:58)arcam Wrote: [ -> ]You bet !
So what about D-Premier to D1000 Plus?? Another interesting one!
It probably doesn't mean much, but when i registered for the 'first 200' to upgrade, in the drop down menu where you select your current Devialet it didn't list the D-Premier. Maybe this means it is not eligible for the upgrade.
As previously mentioned, i cannot see how the D-Prem will be eligible to go straight to an Expert Pro as that would surely harm/kill the 250/800 values and not be fair on those who paid for the upgrade from D-Prem to 250/800.
Considering that most companies just bring out their latest every few years and there's no upgrade possibility at all, I don't see why Devialet should try to be 'fair' with their upgrade program. After all, upgrading isn't mandatory and it's common knowledge that once a new product has come out, the older will drop in value on the second hand market.
If I were to pay for any upgrade, it's ultimately my choice to do so. I chose not to do the upgrade with my pair of D-Premier's and instead bought a pair of Original d'Atelier. My reasoning was simple: I believe in the technology behind the amplifier.
And if anyone (many do) think this upgrade is a rip off, I think their heads are not very clear. Think of any amplifier or DAC product, if technology enables a new generation of product, exactly how many brands would offer such an upgrade path? Almost none with the exceptions of Weiss and maybe MSB. Not to mention through various software upgrades, Devialet had provided their users with new functionalities. Now that's what I call preserving investment. It's only logical that the new techs from OdA to trickle down, the improvement from 800 is not subtle, at least so I heard. But what I haven't anticipated is so soon and OdA is also on the list to be upgraded. Let's hope it'll be a software only upgrade for OdA. It's not that I'm not willing to pay for hardware upgrade, it's because I simply can't live without it!
I bought my D-Premiers only a few months ago, and the person before me off course hadn't taken the previous upgrade option (having a pair of D-Premiers upgraded to a D800 was an additional 70% the price of a single D250 unit upgrade).
Now a new upgrade is coming up, but to then restrict these only to those that upgraded their previous D-Premiers (at that time) wouldn't make sense (to myself) from a commercial perspective. I can fully understand others who have previously upgraded may seem a bit miffed that they could be paying the same to upgrade as a D-Premier owner, but that's not really the fault of the D-Premier owner (e.g. me).
There may not be so many D-Premiers still kicking around that hadn't been previously upgraded, and from Devialet's perspective the remaining number of D-Premier owners may be of so small a quantity that they won't have any specific restrictions on who can upgrade. I just can't see Devialet not allowing a D-Premier to be upgraded if it's physically possible to do so (same casing and remote as existing D250, as far as I'm aware), and therefore not taking the money from a D-Premier owner.
Saying all of the above, when I went to the upgrade link as shown on page 39 it did have the D-Premier in the drop down box for existing equipment (it still does have this option), so I'm hopeful that I do get the choice for the latest upgrade.
Sorry to those who feel they are being hard done by if existing D-Premier owners are allowed to also have this new upgrade, but I can't see Devialet rejecting money based on other peoples feeling (they certainly haven't got a great track record with PR to-date, so can't see it starting now).
Hopefully everyone will find out soon the upgrade options and costing, and it may be a tiered upgrade cost dependant on what equipment is being upgraded; D-Premier, D120, D200, D250, D800 or OdA.
(16-Jun-2016, 01:19)wikeeboy Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 18:07)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 17:58)arcam Wrote: [ -> ]You bet !
So what about D-Premier to D1000 Plus?? Another interesting one!
It probably doesn't mean much, but when i registered for the 'first 200' to upgrade, in the drop down menu where you select your current Devialet it didn't list the D-Premier. Maybe this means it is not eligible for the upgrade.
As previously mentioned, i cannot see how the D-Prem will be eligible to go straight to an Expert Pro as that would surely harm/kill the 250/800 values and not be fair on those who paid for the upgrade from D-Prem to 250/800.
An interesting point re 'current' models dropping to D-Premier second hand values if the D-Premier can do an upgrade jump to D1000 Plus. However, it is all speculation though at the moment. Remember the D-Premier has different connectivity to the D250, there may be other subtle differences also. At the moment it is not clear if the D-Premier is upgradable at all now, or if it is, at what price. It could be that a D250 to D1000 Plus is say 3500 euros, the D-Premier to D1000 could be 4500 euros, as an example. (To be clear, I do not have any details, I am speculating here). In fact this does lead to some interesting prospects, the D-Premier has HDMI input. So could you have a hybrid D-Premier / D1000 with all the upgrades but retaining HDMI, or would the D-Premier need an input 'upgrade', so all D1000's have lovely USB and are consistent. In prediction mode, I am guessing a D-Premier will be upgradable but at higher cost. Devialet have had enough issues with the configurator as it is without ushering strange hybrid specification units into existence.
As to the values of current models, I am sure these must have takes a hit already with the knowledge that a new version is on it's way. This is only to be expected. How big is this hit? Impossible to say until the price of the upgrades and the new models are announced. If the new D1000 is 5000 euros, for example, the hit would be massive. (I'm guessing it will be in the 20k region by the way)
I have actually been wondering if I could pick up a bargain pair of D-Premiers, and upgrade these, leaving my lovely and still under guarantee D800 unmolested. I'm guessing that once all this settles down, the numbers are known, second hand values stabilise, then this plan will prove to be a bit bonkers! But we shall see!
(16-Jun-2016, 07:46)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (16-Jun-2016, 01:19)wikeeboy Wrote: [ -> ] (15-Jun-2016, 18:07)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]So what about D-Premier to D1000 Plus?? Another interesting one!
It probably doesn't mean much, but when i registered for the 'first 200' to upgrade, in the drop down menu where you select your current Devialet it didn't list the D-Premier. Maybe this means it is not eligible for the upgrade.
As previously mentioned, i cannot see how the D-Prem will be eligible to go straight to an Expert Pro as that would surely harm/kill the 250/800 values and not be fair on those who paid for the upgrade from D-Prem to 250/800.
I have actually been wondering if I could pick up a bargain pair of D-Premiers, and upgrade these, leaving my lovely and still under guarantee D800 unmolested. I'm guessing that once all this settles down, the numbers are known, second hand values stabilise, then this plan will prove to be a bit bonkers! But we shall see!
Not bonkers, merely Confused!
(16-Jun-2016, 12:50)IanG-UK Wrote: [ -> ] (16-Jun-2016, 07:46)Confused Wrote: [ -> ] (16-Jun-2016, 01:19)wikeeboy Wrote: [ -> ]It probably doesn't mean much, but when i registered for the 'first 200' to upgrade, in the drop down menu where you select your current Devialet it didn't list the D-Premier. Maybe this means it is not eligible for the upgrade.
As previously mentioned, i cannot see how the D-Prem will be eligible to go straight to an Expert Pro as that would surely harm/kill the 250/800 values and not be fair on those who paid for the upgrade from D-Prem to 250/800.
I have actually been wondering if I could pick up a bargain pair of D-Premiers, and upgrade these, leaving my lovely and still under guarantee D800 unmolested. I'm guessing that once all this settles down, the numbers are known, second hand values stabilise, then this plan will prove to be a bit bonkers! But we shall see!
Not bonkers, merely Confused!
I have to say that did cross my mind too!
Guillaume
I already received an official Devialet email asking me to join the upgrade program "Devialet Zero".
These are the higlights:
5 new patents
New ADH Intelligence
New Class A Voltage Amplifier
New Class D Current Amplifier
New Power Supply
New Thermal Management
THD + noise (stereo) < 0,00025%
SNR improved by 2.5 dB
ADH loop precision multiplied by 4
Transient response 2x faster
Thermal Exchanges 2x better
Hi all,
I just received the official email from DEVIALET announcing ZERO, the "new revolution"
There's nothing new under the sun, except they pledge for a complete upgrade of our expert system at an interesting rate ("conditions privilégiées"), for the first 200 owners to sign in.
I'm glad I signed already!
Arnaud