(27-Jul-2016, 14:07)SwissBear Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Ian,
I strongly support most of what you said, except your conclusion on OdA, where I am supporting of the views of Guillaume.
Having said that, if you look at this program as you would at a trade-in program, you have the possibility to get (based on the prices in EUR):- 60% trade-in value for you old machine in case you are buying a new 220 or 440 PRO
- 80% trade-in value for you old machine in case you are buying a new 1000 PRO
which is absolutely great IMHO.
But you are absolutely free not to participate and should not feel angry for that. This remains your discretionary decision.
Hi Pierre
My OdA conclusions were intended to be purely financial ones and I pretty much agree with Guillaume as to the related impacts.
I'd not appreciated the existence of the 60%/80% program which is clearly worth thinking about for those who want the 220, the 440 or the 1000, which I guess is most of the market!
Ian
(27-Jul-2016, 14:22)IanG-UK Wrote: [ -> ] (27-Jul-2016, 14:07)SwissBear Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Ian,
I strongly support most of what you said, except your conclusion on OdA, where I am supporting of the views of Guillaume.
Having said that, if you look at this program as you would at a trade-in program, you have the possibility to get (based on the prices in EUR):- 60% trade-in value for you old machine in case you are buying a new 220 or 440 PRO
- 80% trade-in value for you old machine in case you are buying a new 1000 PRO
which is absolutely great IMHO.
But you are absolutely free not to participate and should not feel angry for that. This remains your discretionary decision.
Hi Pierre
My OdA conclusions were intended to be purely financial ones and I pretty much agree with Guillaume as to the related impacts.
I'd not appreciated the existence of the 60%/80% program which is clearly worth thinking about for those who want the 220, the 440 or the 1000, which I guess is most of the market!
Ian
Hi Ian,
To be even more precise, the 60%/80% program as you call it is a way to look at the current upgrade program if you calculate the upgrade price as a % of the new machines price.
- To get a 220 PRO (from a D200 or D120), you have to spend 3'490 EUR, which is roughly 40% of the price of the new machine which is 8'490 EUR. So you get a 60% trade-in value for your old machine.
- To get a 440 PRO (from a D400), you have to spend 5'990 EUR, which is roughly 40% of the price of the new machine which is 14'900 EUR. So you get a 60% trade-in value for your old machine.
- To get a 1000 PRO (from a D800), you have to spend 5'990 EUR, which is roughly 20% of the price of the new machine which is 27'900 EUR. So you get a 80% trade-in value for your old machine.
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SwissBear - thanks a lot. Another real truth side.
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With 84 pages of posts, I don't know if I have the stamina to go back through them all, so I'll ask a question that may already have been answered; do we know, or have any hint, if the new streamer board can be installed into a non-upgraded Expert amp? Of course we don't know what the function or performance of the new streamer hardware will be, but I'd love to ditch my Sonos boxes.
It occurred to me that if I were shopping today, I doubt I would buy the D220 Pro, but would almost certainly chose the new D130 Pro. I didn't buy a D200 18 months ago and that sort of reminds me that i don't really need one now. Logically then, I'm not really an update candidate.
Thanks for any info that I've missed.
(27-Jul-2016, 18:17)Damon Wrote: [ -> ]With 84 pages of posts, I don't know if I have the stamina to go back through them all, so I'll ask a question that may already have been answered; do we know, or have any hint, if the new streamer board can be installed into a non-upgraded Expert amp? Of course we don't know what the function or performance of the new streamer hardware will be, but I'd love to ditch my Sonos boxes.
It occurred to me that if I were shopping today, I doubt I would buy the D220 Pro, but would almost certainly chose the new D130 Pro. I didn't buy a D200 18 months ago and that sort of reminds me that i don't really need one now. Logically then, I'm not really an update candidate.
Thanks for any info that I've missed.
Very, very likely - not to say 100% for sure - it won't be able to install into a non-upgraded Expert.
(27-Jul-2016, 10:15)GuillaumeB Wrote: [ -> ] (26-Jul-2016, 23:40)IanG-UK Wrote: [ -> ]Those of us who chose the 800 to OdA route have paid the most, absolutely and probably proportionately too. Maybe a bad choice, but my choice, so given that Devialet is now taking us to the 1000P level for free, we have little to grumble about.
Little to grumble about?
How about:
- the fact that the 1000 Pro was launched so soon after the O d'A (a limited edition, anniversary edition), the fact that we had to endure months of rumours of a "better model" coming out thanks to those dealers that couldn't keep their mouths shut; the fact that the O d'A was devalued resulting in a number of units being sold at a discount
- the complete lack of transparency and confusion surrounding the details of the O d'A upgrade
- the fact that O d'A owners will now be the last to be upgraded to full 1000 Pro status
Guillaume
are you considering replacing Devialet with different brand ? any candidate ?
(26-Jul-2016, 23:40)IanG-UK Wrote: [ -> ][...]
The upgrades covering120 to 220Pm, the 200m to 220Pm and the 250m to 250Pm all cost £3k, simply because they all involve just about the same replacement parts. To be pedantic, it is possible that the 200 and 250 keep their existing phono/pre-out stages whereas the 120 gets a new phono/pre-out stage; and it seems that the 250 gets a new bottom plate in solid copper. But these are pretty modest differences in the overall scheme of things.
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I do not agree those are modest. Those plus difference in output power was valued £1500 by Devialet. In my book that is opposite of modest.
I don't know internals of Devialets and i don't know what it really takes to upgrade. I guess the parts taken out of D200 (especially phono/preout boards) have some value, so why not to discount D200 owners by part of the £1500?
PS. I don't know, what is difference between ADH of D120 and D200, but based on what i heard on this fine forum, it is possible that they are the same (also same value) only D120 is software crippled. Would it mean that phono/preout value is most of the £1500?
PS2. Otherwise I agree with what you said.
(27-Jul-2016, 10:15)GuillaumeB Wrote: [ -> ] (26-Jul-2016, 23:40)IanG-UK Wrote: [ -> ]Those of us who chose the 800 to OdA route have paid the most, absolutely and probably proportionately too. Maybe a bad choice, but my choice, so given that Devialet is now taking us to the 1000P level for free, we have little to grumble about.
Little to grumble about?
How about:
- the fact that the 1000 Pro was launched so soon after the O d'A (a limited edition, anniversary edition), the fact that we had to endure months of rumours of a "better model" coming out thanks to those dealers that couldn't keep their mouths shut; the fact that the O d'A was devalued resulting in a number of units being sold at a discount
- the complete lack of transparency and confusion surrounding the details of the O d'A upgrade
- the fact that O d'A owners will now be the last to be upgraded to full 1000 Pro status
Guillaume
No idea what sort of money changes hands from 800>OdA but I can imagine more than £5500.
Question is, had you known, could (or would) you have held off for a new model in the future knowing the OdA was available right there and then? Especially since the new model wouldn't have had the exclusive colour, name, and signed plate.
Whatever the answer it's a sad day for Devialet that you're even slightly bemused about it Guillaume. I could taste the excitement in your posts as you put the for sale ad up for the 800 before the OdA was even available... A real leap of faith.
Here's a question I haven't thought of before; does the upgrade come with another 5 year warranty? If I'm right, that's what happened with the D-Premier, didn't it?
(28-Jul-2016, 00:52)Pim van Vliet Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a question I haven't thought of before; does the upgrade come with another 5 year warranty? If I'm right, that's what happened with the D-Premier, didn't it?
Pim
Reply I got from Devialet Support:
The warranty is indeed renewed.