Hi Guys
Greetings from Afrique du Sud
Sadly I only bought my Le200 about three weeks ago on the 15% discount promotion
It was before I discovered this site
During previous upgrades, would people like me have paid the full upgrade price or were they offered some kind of discount to upgrade?
I was thinking of upgrading to Le 400 but may just upgrade the my 200 now
Thanks in advance
(18-Jun-2016, 02:56)Wdw Wrote: [ -> ] (18-Jun-2016, 01:29)bernardl Wrote: [ -> ] (17-Jun-2016, 23:26)Pim van Vliet Wrote: [ -> ]They are also unconfirmed
Well, we aren't new in this game, right?
Things happen for a reason, I am 93% sure that this leak isn't random.
Cheers,
Bernars
If your thinking is correct, I have concerns with Devialet's market strategy. I have no doubt as to the intelligence, fantastic design and sheer musicality of these products but if they intend to further raise their price point to imply a greater level of exclusivity they are simply wrong. Dealerships in Canada are dropping the line, its idiosyncracies too tough for the average stick up their bum audiophile. ;-) and not easily understandable nor available to the design motivated arts crowd (think B&O) when quality of music may not be such a priority...
We'll know soon enough.
As I said, I think it is too expensive and the cost of building these boards must be below 1,000 US$, but that may be Devialet's problem. Their amp technology is not only revolutionary in terms of level of sound quality achieved, it is even 10 times more impressive in terms of cost/performance.
The perceived value others generate with kgs of components, Devialet can only induce with high end feel, meaning luxury, which is mostly about the casing. Which poses a significant problem for upgrades... where we think in terms of components costs while they think in terms of best sound quality ever produced by a man made device, whatever its price.
Cheers,
Bernard
Miles , where in SA are you?
(18-Jun-2016, 06:41)bernardl Wrote: [ -> ] (18-Jun-2016, 02:56)Wdw Wrote: [ -> ] (18-Jun-2016, 01:29)bernardl Wrote: [ -> ]Well, we aren't new in this game, right?
Things happen for a reason, I am 93% sure that this leak isn't random.
Cheers,
Bernars
If your thinking is correct, I have concerns with Devialet's market strategy. I have no doubt as to the intelligence, fantastic design and sheer musicality of these products but if they intend to further raise their price point to imply a greater level of exclusivity they are simply wrong. Dealerships in Canada are dropping the line, its idiosyncracies too tough for the average stick up their bum audiophile. ;-) and not easily understandable nor available to the design motivated arts crowd (think B&O) when quality of music may not be such a priority...
We'll know soon enough.
As I said, I think it is too expensive and the cost of building these boards must be below 1,000 US$, but that may be Devialet's problem. Their amp technology is not only revolutionary in terms of level of sound quality achieved, it is even 10 times more impressive in terms of cost/performance.
The perceived value others generate with kgs of components, Devialet can only induce with high end feel, meaning luxury, which is mostly about the casing. Which poses a significant problem for upgrades... where we think in terms of components costs while they think in terms of best sound quality ever produced by a man made device, whatever its price.
Cheers,
Bernard
Well, one shouldn't forget we don't only pay for the H/W and the casing, but also for the high cost of R&D. Devialet can look at it as if current customers helped them funding the R&D cost of the new H/W and give them the upgrade at a cost near the material cost. or have them pay a second time the full price, like a new customer...
So for those who may have inadvertently obtained some leaked information, what exactly is 'New ADH Intelligence'?
A new DAC, a new implementation of ADH, both maybe? Also, is this 'new', or does the O'dA have this already?
The price of the update from D-Premier was heavily weighted by the R&D cost. Boards don't cost that much to make in themselves, it is the R&D, design and tooling that costs the money.
Typically in the industries I know the bill of materials cost is about 10% of retail, the rest is R&D, design, tooling, marketing and profit.
More is spent per unit on advertising a car worldwide than making it, for example.
Since I have spent around £42,000 on Devialets so far I hope they take into account my personal contribution to their R&D budget, but I won't really expect it.
Thinking about all this, I notice that three key things are absent from Devialet's announcement. The first one is obvious, prices! The second one is that there is no mention of the 'EVO' platform. Now I do not think I know enough about the subtitles of the Devialet's internal architecture to be sure of this, but I am assuming that with the new model and upgrade, the EVO platform survives unchanged. (does the EVO platform exist as a discrete board?) This means that any future firmware upgrades should be available to owners of both the current and forthcoming range. This perhaps lends some weight to the theory that skipping a model or upgrade is the path to best value. OK, those who do not upgrade will miss out on an SQ hike, but functionality and future firmware upgrades will be the same for all.
The other big thing missing was any mention of the widely rumoured streamer board. Until details and pricing are know, I have no idea if this new board interests me or not. However, lets assume that when details are known, I decide that yes, I would like this new streamer upgrade. The one thing I do not want to do is send my lovely unmolested D800 back to France twice, once for the 'ZERO' upgrade as announced, then later for the new streamer board. That would be bad. So I am assuming details of the new streamer board will be available soon? However, I had assumed that when Devialet finally announced the new models and upgrades, they would also announce pricing, and that didn't happen! Plus, will the new Devialet Plus (or is it Devialet ZERO) range becomes available, does this have a choice of streamer boards, or just the new one? Which of course leads to the question, does the new streamer board support AIR, or will this be phased out now?
My only experience of upgrading Hifi components was with LINN. At different points in time I upgraded my Klimax DS and Klimax Solo amplifiers, and on both occasions these were fitted with completely new boards.
The cost worked out at around 25-30% of the RRP of each unit. So for the Klimax DS which had cost me around £12k the upgrade was something like £3.5k. The Solos were £4.5k for the pair (RRP of £8k each).
In the case of the Klimax DS what was quite clever was that as part of the upgrade LINN would repackage your old electronics in a new box - they called this the Klimax Renew. So for £3.5k not only did you effectively get a brand new Klimax DS but you got a second unit which you could sell to almost completely finance the cost of the upgrade! Which of course I did...
Guillaume
(18-Jun-2016, 12:25)Confused Wrote: [ -> ]Thinking about all this, I notice that three key things are absent from Devialet's announcement. The first one is obvious, prices! The second one is that there is no mention of the 'EVO' platform. Now I do not think I know enough about the subtitles of the Devialet's internal architecture to be sure of this, but I am assuming that with the new model and upgrade, the EVO platform survives unchanged. (does the EVO platform exist as a discrete board?) This means that any future firmware upgrades should be available to owners of both the current and forthcoming range. This perhaps lends some weight to the theory that skipping a model or upgrade is the path to best value. OK, those who do not upgrade will miss out on an SQ hike, but functionality and future firmware upgrades will be the same for all.
The other big thing missing was any mention of the widely rumoured streamer board. Until details and pricing are know, I have no idea if this new board interests me or not. However, lets assume that when details are known, I decide that yes, I would like this new streamer upgrade. The one thing I do not want to do is send my lovely unmolested D800 back to France twice, once for the 'ZERO' upgrade as announced, then later for the new streamer board. That would be bad. So I am assuming details of the new streamer board will be available soon? However, I had assumed that when Devialet finally announced the new models and upgrades, they would also announce pricing, and that didn't happen! Plus, will the new Devialet Plus (or is it Devialet ZERO) range becomes available, does this have a choice of streamer boards, or just the new one? Which of course leads to the question, does the new streamer board support AIR, or will this be phased out now?
Rumours are the streamer upgrade will be in 2017 and dealers are able to perform this. I do think, but i'm not sure, this will require the new hardware upgrade to be done first.
John